Letter: Remember why we have the First Amendment

Listen, in defense of the liberal-biased media, they don't have two brain cells to rub together. They wouldn't know a memorial from a kegstand, and they'll defend their "right" to be offensive right up until the point at which it becomes an actual defense, with something at stake. That's when the real heroes appear. They can keep trashing conservatives, but in the end that's who they'll call for help. You already mentioned the half-baked backhanded apology, and the "1st amendment!" meme that "journalists" spout, but it still bears repeating that ɜɽᵼʰɯ.

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• Posted by pantheon on October 6, 2008 at 3:37 p.m.
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• Posted by ckennicott on October 6, 2008 at 4:21 p.m.
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Letter: Remember why we have the First Amendment

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 6, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.
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• Posted by ckennicott on October 6, 2008 at 4:25 p.m.
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Letter: Remember why we have the First Amendment

Since these men and women don't have a voice, I've decided to list their names here, in the hope that we will all remember those brave men and women from KU who paid the ultimate price for the freedoms we so clearly enjoy today.

Thanks for reminding us, em1.

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 6, 2008 at 4:26 p.m.
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Letter: Remember why we have the First Amendment

I am also apalled by what was done by the UDK at our WWII memorial. However, I am also offended that the graphic nature of the photos were allowed regardless of where they were taken. The UDK became playboy, but instead of having to seek out a copy of the UDK like playboy does they give it out to everyone on campus. I really hope the staff learned a lesson but I really don't think its going to change anything, and that is truly sad.

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• Posted by kunomu on October 7, 2008 at 9:44 a.m.
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That is not the point. The point is, that you are descecrating the memorial to those who GAVE YOU THOSE FREEDOMS. Had the military not succeded in WWII, we would be under Japanese emperial rule or the Nazi regieme and have no freedoms in the first place (the Japanese did think they were a superior race and crushed those against them).

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• Posted by cath0830 on October 7, 2008 at 12:02 p.m.
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This country could easily become a great country again if people only put the country first, instead the United States of America is quickly becoming the Me First America. "I have this right, and I have that right. No one else matters but me." How sad. If that was the majority attitude in the 1770's we would be British right now.

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 7, 2008 at 1:25 p.m.
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We should all feel sorry for lingup_the_grammar_robot. He obviously was never able to play sports as a child. If he had, he would know that, while you have every right to try to score every goal on your own, it is better for the team to swallow your pride and pass the ball to someone else and let them actually score a point. His team will always lose.

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 7, 2008 at 1:31 p.m.
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Alright. If my view is SO shallow........ Who gave you those freedoms? They didn't just come about. They don't still stand because those vets sat back and didn't do anything whant the US was attacked, preventing our being taken over by a facist empire.

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• Posted by cath0830 on October 7, 2008 at 2:31 p.m.
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desecrate transitive verb meaning: 1. to violate the sanctity of. 2. to treat disrespectfully, irreverently, or outrageously. Ask the WWII vets what they think of Sex on the Hill. They will tell you differently.

One of the things that make America great is our ability to make choices. I have several rights that I CHOOSE not to use on a daily basis. Just because I have the right to do something doesn't mean I have to run right out and do it. There are many people that are holding back right now, I can guarantee that.

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 7, 2008 at 2:34 p.m.
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So, they fought for those freedoms, and yet the Kansan should feel guilty for taking advantage of them? Then what was the point of the sacrifices made by the people the Campanille is dedicated to?

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• Posted by BCohen on October 7, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
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This is a respect issue. Respect goes both ways. Does no one understand the meaning of respect and desecrate anymore? I was taught to respect things as a child, not necessarily agree with them. Respect your elders, even if it's in the form of a statue. Forget the fact that public nudity is illegal, committing lude acts (sex) in public is illegal. The public went crazy mad when an American Idol contestant took "racy" pictures of herself in front of a WWII memorial in 2007, and she wasn't even having sex. No one could see this outcry coming after that?

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 7, 2008 at 3:11 p.m.
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Of course, that trashy stuff is protected speech, but just because you CAN say it doesn't mean you ought to. "Sex on the Hill" was designed to be shocking and titilating and to "prove" that the UDK is "holding the line" and "bearing up the Standard" for Free Speech. Then when people complained, the staff could preen and speechify about their right to free speech. Baloney. It was offensive and unnecessary and in poor taste. The university paper ought to hold itself up to higher standards than that. If you want to make a stand for free speech, make it for a good reason. The ability to print pictures of people having sex just because you can isn't a good reason. Disrespecting the Memorial isn't a good reason.

Grow up.

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• Posted by cat on October 7, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.
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I thought liberals were supposed to have an open mind, even if they didn't agree with it. This is completely about respect. Open your mind. Just because you want a fight, doesn't mean there is one. ALL veterans are glad that they fight and die for your rights. We are offended that you CHOOSE to exercise your rights in a way that disrespects us. People who won't fight for our country should respect those that do and did, since we respect you enough to die for you.

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• Posted by ckennicott on October 7, 2008 at 4:53 p.m.
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You're right. I'm a facist. And so is anyone that respects and honors those who have gone before.

And this completely has to do with respect. Would you disrespect your dead grandmother by having sex on her grave and then post pictures of it everywhere? I would hope not. Why? Human decency.

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• Posted by cath0830 on October 7, 2008 at 6:46 p.m.
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They fought for the defense of this country. That defense of our constitution, of our bill of rights. One of those being freedom of speech. That freedom for you guys to yell and bicker and argue among each other over whether or not they would or would not approve or be offended of something. But the basic fact is, you both have the right to keep a closed mind, that's what those bill of rights guaranteed. I hope that this continues for you both to be bitter and close minded because if that is so then our rights are still there, those rights that anybody should be able to exercise however and wherever they want.

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• Posted by Rkocour on October 7, 2008 at 6:51 p.m.
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well... they weren't really having sex...

but i wonder how many people actually have. i've heard it is a pretty popular spot.

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• Posted by oliveira on October 7, 2008 at 7:54 p.m.
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I just want to point out that criticizing the entire staff of the paper is unfair. Most of the people who work at The Kansan knew nothing about the upcoming issue of Sex on the Hill and those people don't deserve to be grouped with 10 people on staff who did know.

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• Posted by fchambers on October 8, 2008 at 12:44 a.m.
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I don't think anyone is being fascist here, really.

There is a difference between pointing out that something is disrespectful/shouldn't have been published and saying that speech like this should be banned. I haven't really heard anyone call for the latter.

However, I have heard people call for the banning of offensive photographs brought on campus by anti-abortion groups.

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• Posted by connerm on October 8, 2008 at 11:02 a.m.
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When did the act of sex become something with such a negative connotation?

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• Posted by peanutbutter1 on October 8, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.
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I agree completely with you Ms. Chambers, and I hope if you aren't connected with the sex on the hill edition, you don't feel that you're under the fire as much so to speak.

It is unfortunate in some ways, but a fact of life, that many times the carelessness or blatent mistakes of a few make many others look bad. Case in point the recent plagerizer at the NYT who got fired a couple years ago, and made the whole paper look less credible. It sucks, but that whole organization took a hit for what was really just an individual problem in a lot of ways, and in every other way was limited to very few others who knew about the problem. Addtionally, I'm not allowed to call out individuals in an editorial piece, so I address the paper as a whole. I as an individual understand that some at the UDK may be opposed to this issue for a number of reasons, and I certainly respect that.

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• Posted by em1 on October 8, 2008 at 11:56 p.m.
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