Preliminary reports on Wren show evidence of alcohol

OK. I have a few questions. Where did Jason get the alcohol he was drinking in the frat house that night? He didn't drive so either someone drove him, (WHO?), or he purchased it from someone there (again WHO?), most likely someone he lived with.

We know which restaurant served him that night and which server it was. Who was with him at the restaurant? Were they all under 21? Who drove them there? Who drove them back?

If SAE says that they follow local rules, does allowing a knowingly underage person to continue to drink, follow the local rules? WHO was his pledge master that night? Where was he and what was he doing with Jason on this first weekend in the frat house? What were they doing? I am highly confident Jason was not the ONLY one drinking that night. What games might they be playing? Beer pong? Whisky pong? Man Challenge? Who was he drinking/playing with that night.

I hope the police are looking further into this. IF this had occured in a private residence, no doubt, the police would handle this as a crime scene. Why aren't they?

ANYONE with information can please contact me in confidentiality at WrenVideo@yahoo.com. "The truth will set you free."

I WILL NOT REST UNTIL I FIND OUT ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT NIGHT. YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT!! And GOD HELP anyone who is creating ANY kind of cover up. As I said to the frat members, I don't blame them individually for what happened. I blame the environment. I will FOREVER blame myself that I allowed him to move in there, but I didn't have any disclosure of information that I should have from KU. KU denied me and my family our RIGHTS as parents!

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 4, 2009 at 11:58 a.m.
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• Posted by DenverDad on April 4, 2009 at 12:31 p.m.
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I've read all of the comments that have been posted in the editorials on this site. And, with that, comes much sadness, anger and frustration regarding peoples judgement of the Wren family. Obviously, I don't know the circumstances under which Jason died. Only those that were present do. I'm a licensed professional; my husband and I didn't drink alcohol nor did our friends when our two children were growing up. Since Jason's death, I've talked with my two sons, now 28 and 24 about their drinking habits when they were growing up. And they informed me that this could have happened to them too. And, it did happen to one of their close friends. I had a rule when they came home;they had to wake me up (so that I knew if they came home by curfew); they had to give me hug/kiss (so I could smell any alcohol, and we had to have a long conversation (looking for any signs of drinking). They passed EACH and EVERY time! Yet, now they inform me that either one or two things had occurred. One, they sobered up before they came home (and they had learned from friends how to cover the smell). Two, they were still drunk and I just didn't know it. I thought that I had done everything right, in regards to keeping tabs on my children. And yes, my sons were awesome. They were athletes, very popular by both their peers and adults, very well mannered and had good grades all through school. So, I feel very compelled to write to all parents on this page. PLEASE don't be so naive to think that just because the circumstances of your family are different than that of the Wren family that you're immune to this happening to you too. I'm a trained professional, and I didn't see the signs! And, I didn't have a reason not to go by face value. I have a family member who is a dr. and his son had an alcohol problem, and yes, they too, missed the signs, until it was almost too late. And then, it was found out because of other circumstances. Not because they saw symptoms themselves. Please don't pass judgement, but learn the signs of alcohol poisoning and educate your children. I thank the bartender that had commented on a previous editorial. He/she was able to provide a candid picture of the drinking habits of some of the college students at KU. They took a chance by writing, and I thank them for their honesty. I just hope and pray that the next time they see students drunk they remember what happened to Jason before they serve more drinks. And they get them help and take a stand rather than serve them water in an attempt to keep them from drinking more and avoiding potential conflict. In CO, bartenders are held culpable to charges if a patron is harmed or harms others after too much drinking in their bar/restaurant. I hope the KU legislators take note and change their laws to have similar culpablity to those that serve alchol.I pray that legislation changes regarding alcohol consumption and awareness on college campuses.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 4, 2009 at 3:01 p.m.
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If this had happened outside of a fraternity (as it does often in america) no criminal investigations would have occured. No crimninal investigation is going to take place since no crime was commited by fraternity members. Mr wren, stop blaming everyone but your son. He bought his alcohol that night with his fake Identification card. He made those choices. stop blaming "the culture" of sae and fraternities. Your son had a problem long before he came to sae and that problem killed him. Statistically, people not in fraternities drink more than their greek counterparts. How dare you bring shame upon sae and say you knew something of its culture when you didn't even know you son was an alcoholic. it is easy to blame sae but it is not right. Get the animal house picture out of your head...it is just not true. I've been here for 4 years and no one has ever been in trouble for alcohol in that house. Alcohol is not a greek problem....it is a university problem. Would you be blaming this on the dorm's environment had it happened there? Your son was a walking time bomb waiting to go off. The only reason he was in sae was because of his 11 drinking violations and you blame sae? Your son was a terrible loss and I know your are hurting but stop blaming people you have no business blaming. It was not sae's culture, nor the university nor anyone else who killed your son. He killed himself through his decisions...the sooner you accept that the better off you will be.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 4, 2009 at 2:35 p.m.
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One last thing.

Just so everyone is clear. It is out of the safety and concern for the pledge members there, and to know the truth, that we are trying to find out what went on that fateful Saturday night and events leading up to it.

It's interesting that the members have been told to not talk about anything that night to ANYONE. If there is nothing to hide, why do that?

Again, if a pledge or SAE member or parent can come forward with any information and details about that night and Friday night, I promise to protect your identity. I will make sure nothing is done and/or told to anyone until you all are back home where it is safe without fear of chastisement or harassment.

"The truth will set you free."

Jay, Jason's dad wrenvideo@yahoo.com

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 4, 2009 at 2:35 p.m.
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COfc2008, WHOEVER YOU ARE, YOU COWARD! IDENTIFY YOURSELF!

You know NOTHING about my son. You are WRONG when you state 11 drinking violations! How would you even think you know this? Were YOU there that night? Are you just someone who THINKS they know? How do you know FOR CERTAIN that nothing happened. SAE members lied to us the night of the memorial about events they said took place that night. WERE YOU THERE? THEN IDENTIFY YOURSELF..COWARD!

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 4, 2009 at 2:42 p.m.
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COfc2008: So, if you knew Jason, and you thought he had a problem and was a "walking time bomb" then, why didn't you get him help?!! Because from the sounds of your post, you're not surprised by what happened. And you're sadly mistaken to think that criminal investigations wouldn't occur if they were in a residence. I can guarantee that if a minor died in my residence that there would be an investigation, and I'd be held liable. But, then again, I don't have a veil that is protecting me. I'd also like to know what type of training and awareness programs the SAE and other houses are provided. Because, either they don't provide accurate information or the information/education wasn't followed that night. The Wren family and those that love Jason have every right to know what happened the night of his death. Please contact the family with all of this information. I know that there must be a lot of fear of coming forward, or else, it wouldn't be a problem. But, the guilt of holding on to this knowledge is going to consume you. And no, it won't go away, ever. I pray that you all demonstrate the character that I know you're capable of and come forward. Please, let the family have the truth so they can have some closure and so that you too can be more at peace.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 4, 2009 at 3:39 p.m.
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'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears reliev'd; How precious did that grace appear, The hour I first believ'd!

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The Lord has promis'd good to me, His word my hope secures; He will my shield and portion be, As long as life endures.

Yes, when this flesh and heart shall fail, And mortal life shall cease; I shall possess, within the veil, A life of joy and peace.

The earth shall soon dissolve like snow, The sun forbear to shine; But God, who call'd me here below, Will be forever mine.

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• Posted by diamondgirlSD on April 4, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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I've shared my truth...if you want to continue to play the blame game continue. I know my comments were harsh but they had to be said. Hate me forever if you wish....it won't take the pain away. As far as members not commenting on the situation...these guys are just as tore up about his death as anyone. Don't put that blame on their shoulders. It is called keeping your mouth shut with pending litigation.anyone would do the same guilty or not.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 4, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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Oh hrtherapist, whose residence is it? That is like holding the landlord of. An apt complex liable for crimes in their apartments. We are college students and are allowed to make our decisions. No one helped jason drink...no one is guilty. And mr wren, those drinking violations came from your sons mouth fyi. He was ousted from the dorms for reasons related to alcohol according to him.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 4, 2009 at 4:07 p.m.
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I don't "hate" you or anyone else for that matter. And, I'm not blaming anyone. I also have NO doubt the the residents are shaken and torn up by what happened too. I'm just trying to find answers so that there can be peace and closure. Yes, you're allowed to make your own choices. But, unfortunately these decisions can and are fatal. I asked the questions about the information and education given to you because if the educational aspect needs to change so that everyone knows what to do in a similar situation,then the universities and fraternities can do so. Because if this information was provided to you, then somehow, it didn't have enough impact, education or enlightenment to make a difference. I don't ask to place blame. You're all "kids." If you were in the house; I can't imagine what you and the other brothers are going through. As an example of non-educational alcohol programs, my son went to an alcohol awareness program, due to a DUI, and he said its a joke. He said that they spent all night talking about the trade with Jay Cutler! He told me that since he has to go to these classes and pay for them that he'd rather spend the time actually learning and being educated on the matter. They had ONE class that gave the statistics for an average of the amount of alcohol per hour you can have and still be within the legal drinking limit. Its a shame because we think that these classes are actually helping; when in fact, some of them are worthless. A lot of the times, our kids tell us what we want to hear for a variety of reasons. And so we as parents make choices on lack of knowledge, which in Jason's case was fatal. Its human nature when a loved dies to need to know the circumstances of that death, and yes, in detail. And, does it change the outcome? No unfortunately, it doesn't. But, it does help closure and with moving on. It saddens me that soemone has put the fear of litigation in your minds rather than coming forward and speaking to the family. I'd like to think that if the situation were reversed that Jason would be the kind of man that would put his own fears aside and speak to the family and offer them the answers they so desparately need. I will continue to pray for everyone involved.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 4, 2009 at 4:47 p.m.
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And for the record: no one is scared to come forward...there is nothing left to say. There is no big fraternity cover-up to uncover. No one lied to you mr wren.sigma alpha epsilon' pledges have never been made to drink or put in a situation that could lead to injury. If they really wanted to, they could talk to you freely without fear of retribution. The problem is that there is no more to tell. I can't really blame you for placing this blame. This is a hard time for everyone...the men of sae included.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 4, 2009 at 4:58 p.m.
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I was just going by what you yourself said in your post. "It is called keeping your mouth shut with pending litigation.anyone would do the same guilty or not." That to me, sounds like fear.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 4, 2009 at 5:04 p.m.
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Fear that a lawyer could spin someones words? it happens on a regular basis.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 4, 2009 at 5:59 p.m.
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Mr. Wren I've also heard a few rumors and had some questions. I heard that weeks prior to your son's unfortunate death that you took him out to the bars in Lawrence. Is this true? I have nothing against this as I have gone to bars with my parents, however if you are blaming members of sae for providing your underage son with alcohol, how could you yourself take him to a bar and find nothing wrong with that?

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• Posted by kansaskid on April 4, 2009 at 6:17 p.m.
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CofC2008 CR: I WAS INTRIGUED BY YOUR COMMENTS CONCERNING NEW PLEDGES AND CONCERN FOR THEIR WELFARE. Interesting that a new SAE pledge, a person with the least amount to NO alcohol education and alcohol poisoning awareness would be awoken and told to get out of HIS bed to help Jason back to his bed on the night of his passing so YOU, THE PLEDGE TRAINER, who it's been told does a good job and takes this job very seriously could keep his authoritative butt in bed and get some sleep. I believe this is taking this role to new levels!!!! YA THINK????

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• Posted by diamondgirlSD on April 4, 2009 at 8:09 p.m.
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Everyone really just needs to stop blaming each other and pointing fingers. You have to think of it this way: Is this really what Jason wants as he is looking down from heaven?

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• Posted by buckafield on April 4, 2009 at 10:14 p.m.
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JASON WANTS SOMEONE WITH A STRONG VOICE TO DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP AND SPEAK THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH....EVEN IF THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE STANDING IN THE LINE.

RIGHT ACTION BEGETS RIGHT ACTION!!

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• Posted by diamondgirlSD on April 4, 2009 at 10:28 p.m.
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first of all: I'm not a pledge trainer. Second: I have no idea what the rest of your post means. Third: don't you think that having to take away his liquor and put him back in bed twice says this problem might have been out of hand?

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 5, 2009 at 1:55 a.m.
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Yes, things obviously got very out of hand and that's the point. WHY, was he put back to bed? Not once, but twice when all of your training tells you not to? Because it was late; he was being obnoxious? There are WAY too many pieces of the puzzle missing. By you coming forward and telling in detail the events of the night that led to Jason's death will not only lead to the healing of the family but to yours and your brothers healing as well. I can't imagine that its easy for you all either. If you tell the ENTIRE truth then there shouldn't be a problem with lawyers (as you indicated) or to anyone else for that matter. Its like I tell my clients who get nervous taking a polygraph...you should only be nervous if you hold something back.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 5, 2009 at 2:18 a.m.
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DiamondgirlSD,

Your posts make no sense, you should think through your thoughts before you post them.

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• Posted by ColoradoKid580 on April 5, 2009 at 8:32 a.m.
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Jason didn't show signs that he had alcohol poisoning. He was coherent...joking and laughing and giving everyone high fives. I'm no doctor but he wasn't showing the signs. The university gives all greek houses seminars of alcohol and its dangers but the signs of alcohol poisoning weren't incuded in them. I've seen many people who appeared twice as drunk who woke up just fine. No one thought there was danger. Mr wren and jason's family have been told the whole truth and nothing but it. They are just choosing not to accept it. They don't want to believe that there was no foul play. His sister looked at the men of sae and said "shame on all of you"at the memorial service. Now, I understand that the family is going through hell right now and it is only natural to blame whoever is convenient. It has gone on long enough. Sae is in no way responsible for jason's death and the family has been told the truth. I don't know what else people want from sae. They can keep digging for some coverup though...there is nothing malicious to find.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 5, 2009 at 9:43 a.m.
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cofc2008 Contact me directly would you? Please don't hide under a false name. Maybe you can answer some questions for me.

Thanks, Jay, Jason's dad wrenvideo@yahoo.com

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 5, 2009 at 10:46 a.m.
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I'm sure when you or anyone else contact Mr. Wren personally, you will be well received.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 5, 2009 at 11:58 a.m.
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Since the proper training isn't there for these boys, I hope this will help, one of Jason's friends posted this on his memorial page. PLEASE READ AND HELP MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN!!!! YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE ARE!!!!

I'll have to do this in parts, but it's well worth the time!

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• Posted by 11cuz on April 5, 2009 at 2:11 p.m.
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How Much Alcohol Is "Lethal"?

The "lethal dose" (LD) of alcohol is clinically defined as the amount that would kill half the population (the LD50). Most authorities place the LD50 at about .40% or about five times the current legal limit in most states. However, there are many cases in which death occurred from alcohol poisoning at much lower, and in some cases, much higher levels. For a 100 lb. man or woman drinking very quickly, it would only require about 8-10 drinks in an hour to reach the lethal level.

Can You Tell If You're Too Intoxicated?

Generally, you can't tell. First of all, alcohol impairs judgment, making your ability to reason difficult, especially at high doses. Second, it takes a while for all the alcohol in the stomach to travel out of the gastrointestinal system and into the blood supply, where it then reaches the brain and other organs. Depending upon how much you drink, how quickly you drink, and what else is in your stomach, it may take anywhere from about 30-90 minutes after you stop drinking, before you reach your highest level of intoxication. Although some drinking scenarios may require less or more time to reach the maximum level of intoxication, you can see that when you decide you have consumed enough alcohol and stop drinking, you will most probably continue to become even more intoxicated. Sweetly flavored alcoholic concoctions such as Jell-O shots, flavored brandies, schnapps or other drinks can go down easily and quickly but surprise you later on when they get into your brain. Similarly, drinking "games" can be quickly fatal because large quantities of alcohol are often consumed over very short periods of time. Almost-straight alcohol drinks, such as EverClear are especially dangerous and should not be used at all.

Symptoms of Alcohol Poisoning If you have any of the following symptoms, you are experiencing an overdose reaction: • Vomiting • Passed out • Difficult to awaken • Slow, shallow breathing

What You Should Do Don’t let a person who has been drinking heavily "sleep it off.” If they persist in falling asleep, wake them up. If they don't respond, it's time to call the police emergency number (911) and tell them you need an ambulance for a possible alcohol overdose. Do not assume your friend will simply sleep it off. When in doubt, call for help. Don't take a chance with your friend’s life. If you know or suspect that other drugs may have been taken, be sure to notify at least one or more ambulance personnel. Alcohol in combination with other drugs accounts for about 30% of all drug overdose deaths.

We miss you Jason.

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• Posted by 11cuz on April 5, 2009 at 2:14 p.m.
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Mr. Wren, Why do you never answer the questions about taking your son out to the bar and buying him drinks? Maybe you are trying to hide something. If you are blaming the men of SAE for giving your underage son alcohol (which I am sure he got using his fake ID anyways) why was it ok for you to take him to a bar? Maybe because you just want to blame everyone and search for some nonexistent evidence that might help your court case. The truth will set you free.

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• Posted by kansaskid on April 5, 2009 at 2:48 p.m.
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Thats exactly what the Chi Psi Fraternity said regarding the death of Lynn Gordon Bailey Jr. ("Gordie") . They maintained clear up to the settlement they had done no wrong, but admitting in the end of the hazing and events of that night. Here is a small excerpt from the settlement that was agreed upon this month:

Following Gordie's death, his mother Leslie Lanahan brought legal action against the Alpha Psi Delta chapter of Chi Psi, located in Boulder, Colorado. Following four and a half years of negotiation, the two sides agreed to a settlement in March 2009. Among the terms, Chi Psi agreed that Gordie had indeed been hazed by brothers of the chapter on the evening of September 16th, 2004. The national fraternity also agreed to use Gordie's story in all pledge education about hazing, as well as to require that all chapters, or "Alphas", recruit a live-in adult supervisor. In accordance with a request by Chi Psi, details of the financial portion of the settlement cannot be disclosed.

Clear up until the end they also would admit to nothing, stating that Gordie had his own drinking problems...I encourage everyone to go to the Gordie Foundation site, research all the deaths that have happened at colleges due to alcohol, and make your own conclusions. Cofc2008..since by your posts it has become clear to us, Jasons family, that you indeed were present during the party and probably during the death, if you have nothing to hide then I would suggest a face to face meeting with my Uncle, he had given you his contact information..geez, take your attorney with you if you are to scared, but meet with him, LOOK HIM IN THE EYE, and tell him what you saw/observed. That is all he is asking. He is not asking for you to get on a blog and belittle every effort he is making to find out answers,he is a grieving parent, as I am sure your very own parents would be, and he is searching for more than just "formal" answers, he is searching for understanding on how this could have happened. All we are asking is that people come forward, bring whatever you have to to make yourself feel safe, but come forward and meet or talk with my Uncle. Colorado Kidd, and Cofc I am not looking for an argument about the way I post, I post from my heart, and I know what facts the family has been told, because I am Jasons family. Stop all the hate, and start helping with the healing.

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• Posted by twistedintx on April 5, 2009 at 10:40 a.m.
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COfc2008: Thanks for letting us know about the lack of education regarding the fact that the training you recieved didnt include alcohol poisoning. Do you think it would be beneficial if that were incorporated into the awareness program? I'm sure you guys don't want to go through this again either. Your lives will never be the same either, and for that, I'm truly sorry. It would be great if you/and any of your friends could offer some suggestions about what type of training will help. I'm doing some research on the subject, but I believe that all of you know what will help best and have the most effective ideas. We as adults have tried our own ideas, scared straight, just say no, this is your brain on drugs etc., and they obviously don't work. I think you (I'm speaking to your age group in general) are the key to what type of training will be the most beneficial.I'd truly appreciate any and all suggetions that you or anyone else have to help educate so this doesn't happen again. How can the information be presented in order for it to be well received and have impact? We're also just trying to figure out what was going on with Jason even before the night that he died. You know, like why he missed his game that morning, how did he spend his day,alone or with friends, what was he doing Friday night etc.I have my own kids like I've stated on these postings, and I'd want to know how he was doing, state of mind, who he was with, etc., because its so hard to be away from your kids to start with, and then, when something happens to them when they're not with you; you just want to be able to visualize him/her with vivid detail (because it makes you feel more connected to them), if he was with friends,what friends, upset about something, happy, etc. Why on this particular night did he drink to such extreme? Does that make sense about the missing pieces of the puzzle and the difficulty/agony that a parent goes through when not being able visualize their son/daughter? Again, I'd appreciate any information about his last few days/nights and suggestions that you can give about education. I don't want you or anyone else to suffer from such a tragedy. Thanks.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 5, 2009 at 11 a.m.
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"ALCOHOL POISONING" -A Publication of INTOXIKON INTERNATIONAL

How Does Alcohol Kill?

Alcohol can cause death directly by acting on those brain areas that control consciousness, respiration and heart rate. As a central nervous system depressant, alcohol can "turn off" these vital brain areas, resulting first in coma and then death. In many cases, drinking too much alcohol will make you sick and you will stop drinking. Contrary to folk tales, getting sick is not from mixing drinks or drinking on an empty stomach, it is because specialized poison control cells in your brain detect danger -- too much alcohol -- and send a signal to your stomach to vomit. This is the brain's way of dealing with poisoning. Vomiting is an attempt to eliminate any unabsorbed alcohol. The logic is, if you can prevent any alcohol that's still in the stomach from getting into the blood supply, it may save your life. Eating before you drink will slow down the speed of intoxication but it is no guarantee that you won’t get sick or die if you consume enough alcohol. Whereas some people only vomit when they have consumed too much alcohol, other people just fall asleep (with or without vomiting) after they have consumed too much alcohol. In these people, death can follow in one of two ways: you may fall into a deep sleep and vomit while sleeping. What’s the result? You choke on your own vomit because you are too intoxicated to wake up and clear out your airway. In other instances, you simply fall asleep and never wake up, because the concentration of alcohol is so high that the areas of your brain controlling life functions are so depressed they stop functioning, and so do you.

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• Posted by 11cuz on April 5, 2009 at 2:13 p.m.
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Also everyone needs to stop trying to blame this on hazing. If you read or watch the news it is simple to see that Jason drank too much on his own. A horrible loss to everyone who knew Jason. Unfortunately, Jason made the decision to drink to much on his own. It was stated on the news that Jason went out with friends and had upwards of a dozen pitchers of margaritas at a restaurant and then came home and continued to drink with friends. Since when has going to a restaurant and drinking with friends been considered hazing???? It is a sad and unfortunate thing to have lost such a wonderful person as Jason. Hazing does happen and it is horrible when it does, but it is obvious that in Jason's case hazing is not the issue. The issue is realizing someone has a problem with alcohol and getting them help before its too late. If the Wren's really wanted to honor Jason, they could set up organization to teach alcohol awareness and provide help for people that do have problems with alcohol not blame everyone.

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• Posted by kansaskid on April 5, 2009 at 2:57 p.m.
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Kansaskid, you have NO idea what you are talking about...or maybe you do?

Why don't you write me directly and let me know what YOU know instead of what you read. WHO are YOU Kansaskid? Don't be a coward. You can write to me directly.

I have learned from my mistakes, and I have changed. I will forever regret mistakes that I made, but I admit them. What has the house done? What changes are they making? Are they going to go dry? Are they emplimenting ANY new changes regarding alcohol?

For your information, I have found factual evidence that they did not have a dozen pitchers at the restaurant. I know the frat would love nothing better than for people to look at ANYTHING except themselves. I HAVE!! WHY DON'T YOU???

Come forward to me personally and identify yourself or shut up. Your lack of understanding is amazing.

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 5, 2009 at 3:37 p.m.
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Kansaskid....watch this video done by YOUR newspaper, news team, and then you'll see why it's important to make changes not only at the fraternities but at the University of Kansas too!

http://features.kansan.com/videos/2009/mar/24/dangers-alcohol-go-unnoticed-studen/

Maybe you'll think about it the next time one of your "brothers" over drinks. The point is I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO OTHERS!! This is NOT just about Jason!

Go to Gordie.org Look under EDUCATION and look at the Memorial Wall. You'll see Jason there with MANY, MANY others!

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 5, 2009 at 3:49 p.m.
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Training on the signs of alcohol poisoning would be the most beneficial I think. But on a larger scale the entire system is set up to fail. Excessive drinking is embraced by the entire student body at the vast majority of college campuses.I wasn't with jason on the days prior to his death. I don't know why he missed his bus. Why should I have a sit down with the family when they obviously don't wanna hear the truth? The truth has been stated-they denied it as a lie. What else can be done? Mr. Wren...good luck uncovering the big conspiracy. I hope at the end when you have dug as deep as you can ans uncovered the information you think you don't have, that you realize that sae and its culture had nothing to do with jason's death.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 5, 2009 at 7:53 p.m.
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Training on the signs of alcohol poisoning would be the most beneficial I think. But on a larger scale the entire system is set up to fail. Excessive drinking is embraced by the entire student body at the vast majority of college campuses.I wasn't with jason on the days prior to his death. I don't know why he missed his bus. Why should I have a sit down with the family when they obviously don't wanna hear the truth? The truth has been stated-they denied it as a lie. What else can be done? Mr. Wren...good luck uncovering the big conspiracy. I hope at the end when you have dug as deep as you can ans uncovered the information you think you don't have, that you realize that sae and its culture had nothing to do with jason's death.

Oh and what pieces to the puzzle are missing? I don't understand what else can be said.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 5, 2009 at 7:55 p.m.
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This all so very sad.

Using the internet to... celebrate a life (share joy)....YES support a cause (spread hope)....YES accuse others before the facts are known (sin)....NO grieve (a private journey)....PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.

May you find truth and peace, in time, through a different venue.

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• Posted by denver1 on April 5, 2009 at 9:41 p.m.
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OK, give me all the names of who he went to dinner with that night. I was only presented with two.

Why was I told after the memorial service that all these reports of him drinking in the house was untrue, until I asked for someone who was able to tell me that he WAS drinking around the house?

WHY were they deflecting it all to the restaurant, before the truth came out?

Who drove him to the liquor store to get his liquor, the bottle of Evan Williams?

Who woke up the fellow pledge to put Jason to bed for the second time? Why did they wake a pledge member from his sleep to put Jason to bed?

Who put Jason to bed the first time?

Where was he when he passed out?

Who was with him when he did?

Which room?

I was told he was in his "study" room. Which of his study room guys were there?

At what time did they see Jason passed out?

Who had drinks with Jason? YOU KNOW he didn't just drink alone.

Where WAS he drinking all those drinks?

Was he doing beer pong in the basement?

With whom was he doing it with?

WHO found him in the afternoon?

Who slept under his bunk? Didn't they notice the smell from the vomit?

Where was his pledge master that night?

What was he doing? Why was his fellow pledge member hung over from Friday night? Why was he spending the night there if he had his own room?

What tasks or things DID the pledge master ask Jason to do?

Were there any drinking games going on that night?

These are just SOME of the questions that I have that have not been answered.

When I find out the answers to all of these questions, THEN I will rest. You can count on me pursuing the truth until the truth comes out.

OH, one last one. WHO ARE YOU to criticize me for my pursuit of the truth?

I guess you would have me do what John Stacey said he would do if it was his son, "blow his brains out." YUP, that's what he said to my daughter's fiance' the night of the Memorial. What a guy!

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 5, 2009 at 9:49 p.m.
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"I understand things are tense. If it were my son, I would have blown my brains out." - John Stacey, President of SAE remarks to my daughter's fiance the night of the memorial. Just to be accurate!

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 5, 2009 at 9:52 p.m.
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I am sure that every parent would feel just as awful about their child in this circumstance. What are you being accurate about?

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• Posted by c_rad2011 on April 5, 2009 at 11:31 p.m.
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Also, I don't understand the what a guy comment? A father said that if his son had died he would have felt horrible enough to do that. Maybe a bad choice of words, but is it bad for a father to say that he would feel horrible if this happened to him. No, every father would feel bad so I don't understand the criticism. I am sure you felt terrible and everyone that knew Jason probably felt terrible too. I don't know why people are arguing about this tragic event over the internet, especially the family. You want these boys to come to you and tell them some hidden "truth" that needs to be uncovered but even if something did happen which I am sure it didn't why would someone come and talk to you when you are just saying that everything is a lie and calling them cowards?? All of the questions you listed won't help anything anyways. Who Jason drank with doesn't really matter, unless someone wanted to sue a 19 year old kid for hanging out with someone. I am sure the police know who found him. If he played beer pong does that matter? What if he did. The news has already told people that Jason had several margaritas, 10 to 12 beers, and whiskey on his own, so does him playing beer pong matter? The coroner's report says nothing about vomit. Does it matter where he drank them? He got kicked out of his dorm for drinking. What if he was drinking them there? Would it make a difference. I don't think so. This is a horrible thing that happened to such a young person, but from the evidence in the news it appears that Jason had a drinking problem that his father acknowledged at his memorial service and on facebook (those comments have now been deleted. Why?). It is obvious that Jason's drinking problem finally got the best of him. The only thing that could've been prevented was getting him help before this, not blaming 18-21 year old kids who most likely feel absolutely horrible already.

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• Posted by c_rad2011 on April 5, 2009 at 11:46 p.m.
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I've also heard rumors that his father took him out to bars weeks prior to this incident. If you are so concerned about who he was drinking with and making it sound so awful that someone might have driven him to the liquor store so he could use a fake ID to buy alcohol why did you take him to a bar.

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• Posted by c_rad2011 on April 5, 2009 at 11:49 p.m.
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cofc2008: who are you anyway to think you know everything about jason as well as everything that happened that night. You think you know he had a drinking problem huh? You need to shut your mouth. What kind of person would sit here and say all this crap about someone you were not even close to. And if you even think you that you can say you two were even aquaintances, then why the hell would you not try to get him help. I know why you didn't, because you are a some young stupid person that doesn't give two s**** about anybody but yourself. Dont you even go off and try to say he had this coming. A huge majority of the young population has been wasted at least once in their life, and all it takes is that one time... He did not die because he had a drinking problem, or he would have died from liver damage. I am in med school right now, so dont even act like you know anything about anything. Jason died because he had too much to drink in this particular occassion. It had nothing to do with his past. Any single person in the world can die just as easily as he did, from partying too hard one night. And I dont even want to hear that you've never done that.

And another thing, you have got to be the biggest idiot I have ever heard of in my life. jason died from alcohol poisoning, not choking on his vomit. That is confirmed. He was POISONED by this drug. There is no way in hell he did not look or act drunk. THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF BS I HAVE EVER HEARD SOMEONE SAY was this. It is not physically possible. And once again, don't even try to disagree with this, I have way more knowledge on this than you ever will.

One more thing, you all need to STOP trying to make the father of dead son feel bad. EVERY ONE OF YOU who are pointing fingers at him for maybe taking his son out on one occassion. SHUT UP. Whether this happened or not, would not change the outcome of today. Reallize that. The one thing that could have prevented a great kid from dying way too young, is in that single night alone. YOU WERE ALL THERE, he was wasted, science has already proven that, and you all made him go to bed, repeatedly. He kept getting up, maybe he didn't feel right. BUT NOBODY CARED. And if you were all wasted like he was, then maybe you should sit down and realize this could have been you. YOUR FAMILIES COULD BE THE ONES MOURNING RIGHT NOW. And if you all were not wasted that night, then YOU WERE MERELY SELFISH IN NOT REALIZING THAT HE NEEDED HELP. HE NEEDED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. HE WAS NOT OK at the end of that night.

If you cannot learn anything from this, at least realize that friends are supposed to be there for one another. And the fact that the ONE TIME he literally DRANK ENOUGH TO KILL HIMSELF was so soon after moving in to this house, it is no surprise people have questions....

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• Posted by nic911 on April 6, 2009 at 1:03 a.m.
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cofc2008 shame is on you for putting 100% of the blame on him. when i was underage, sae took me to the bars, provided ids, alcohol and everything. for sae to take ZERO responsibility is a terrible thing. when they have small get togethers, they make sure that there is plenty of alcohol to go around, and im sure they didnt hesitate at all in providing jason with extra. especially knowing your a member of the fraternity, i know that it is a flat out lie when you say he purchased whatever he drank. he wasnt fully responsible and its time that you atleast take credit for part of what happened. in a situation like this, everyone is hurting for truths. giving the truth, providing comfort, and making things right would make everyone feel a whole lot better.

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• Posted by KUstudent01 on April 6, 2009 at 2:32 a.m.
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Mr. Wren, I don't have those answers.if I did, I swear to God that I'd give them to you. Someone does and your questions will be answered just maybe not right away. Nic 119: I was there. So you don't know s.If he is getting out of bed to drink more I hardly see how sae was supposed to know to take him to a hospital when he wakes up and starts chugging whiskey. Oh and if someone were to chug a large amount of liquor would the effects not take some time to hit? I saw him briefly as he was being led to his bed for the last time by, SURPRISE!, NOT another pledge. Med school does not make you all-knowing, prick. The kid had a drinking problem and maybe he was trying to impress the guys in the house in his first week there. I know he was bragging that he never puked before. Mr wren even said his son had a problem on facebook (comments have been deleted?). If no one bought him liquor, made him drink liquor, or encouraged him to drink at all.....then how THE F is this sae's fault at all? What blame should we be accepting? Sae did NOTHING wrong...the family will have to accept that whenever they feel "informed". U r right though, I have been wasted before as have many young people. Few people I know did it as often as jason though. And u r also right that it is natural for people to be suspicious since he had just moved into sae. I am simply trying to allay this suspicion. Don't say u r some expert on alcohol poisoning and that it would have been different if you had been there. It is easy to say but I'd bet against you if we could go back. The fact is that I've seen people look twice as drunk as jason was and wake up just fine. The kid did not look like he had drank that much and he did not look like he needed help. But go ahead...knock yourself out...call me a liar and denounce the "evil greek system". Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 6, 2009 at 9:01 a.m.
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C_Rad2011,

You obviously aren't reading things well. I AM NOT BLAMING the kids! I just want to know the details of that night and I don't believe I've been given the details I wish to have. In fact, if you READ my posts I have said exactly that. I just want to know what happened that night and what was going on with him the night before. I am not attacking the fraternity brothers that night!! There must be someone who is frightening them to think so. Perhaps you or others like you?

Again, I find it amazing that people continue to post here with new screen names, that should address me directly at wrenvideo@yahoo.com. But instead they choose to attack me and remain anonymous. THAT's what I call cowardly.

For anyone who cares. You can watch 4 of 6 segments of Jason's funeral at "In Loving Memory of Jason Wren" at the Facebook group. I haven't had time to get the last two segments posted, but I will.

To the SAE members and Jason's fellow pledges. I know you must be suffering. I know you must be going through the woulda's, shoulda's and coulda's. I know I have. I know I've made mistakes. I am NOT going after anyone individually, even if there was someone who "forced" Jason to drink. I just want to see changes in your fraternity, going dry. WHY? To make it a safer place. I pitty the ones who are definding the drinking. How many lives must die, before change takes pleace?

Go to Gordie.org and look under EDUCATION and see the Memorial Wall. MOST are not from fraternities, but many are. What will it take for fraternities to take a leadership role and say, "Not here, not in this house!" There is no place for alcohol. It kills 100,000 people a YEAR. People got all upset that 2000 soldiers were killed in Iraq in a BATTLE ZONE. When will it change? I believe YOU ARE the future and YOU can change if you want. I have changed. I have had my drink down ever since the news of my son's death. I'm better off for it too.

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 6, 2009 at 9:07 a.m.
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I like these five provisions that Chi Psi agreed to in their lawsuit settlement:

• Chi Psi agrees that Lynn Gordon Bailey, Jr. was hazed by Chi Psi brothers in Boulder the night of September 16, 2004, preceding his death acting in violation of Chi Psi Fraternity policies and in violation of University of Colorado policies.

• Chi Psi will send a letter to all pledges, and parents of new pledges, outlining the pledging process, the expectations for the local Alpha, how the fraternity policies require that the pledge process not involve hazing or the provision of alcohol to pledges, how they should speak with their son about his need to refuse to engage in these activities, and that pledges are encouraged to report any violations of this policy and that they will not be denied membership for demanding that the pledge process be in accordance with these national rules. The letter will also include phone numbers for parents and pledges to use if they have any questions or concerns.

• Chi Psi will mandate training and certification of all officers that must be completed each year and verified by the National Fraternity in writing before the Alpha may hold social functions or conduct business.

• Chi Psi will mandate that all newly constructed lodges built for the purpose of housing a Chi Psi chapter on any campus include a live-in adult house director, who shall not be an undergraduate student, and who shall receive training in all Chi Psi risk management policies, and be specifically instructed to immediately notify the national organization of any violations by the chapter of national risk management policies. Chi Psi will pass a resolution advocating that its alumni corporations establish live-in house directors to assist in the oversight and implementation of the national’s policies by 2012

• Chi Psi will develop risk management education targeted at the age of each student. Risk management education will be provided to pledges within the first week of the pledge process.

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 6, 2009 at 9:30 a.m.
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As a member, I can say that making sae a dry house would bring nothing but benefits in every aspect. I support that without question. I doubt it will ever happen though. The mindset of college students in general would have to change. There is just not enough people who want sae to be dry.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 6, 2009 at 9:56 a.m.
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To be clear: mr wren, I have said some things that have upset you for sure. This was not my intent although I did know that my comments had the potential to do so. My sister was killed in 1998 coming back from her prom because her driver was drunk and wrecked. I know what you and your family are going through. I've seen my own father deal with the loss of a child. The details you have asked for are not unreasonable and I'm sure your questions will be answered eventually. A court of law can find a party liable for something without proof or evidence nowadays. Nationals is scared that a comment taken out of context could be used against sae in the event of a lawsuit. They asked the house to stay quiet until everything calmed down. These guys don't know how to react and if a public relations expert tells these young guys that speaking to the media or family could be bad for the house they are gonna listen. I can't make you believe me on a comment board but sae does not haze in any fashion. There was no provided alcohol that night. I can ask some people to answer some of your questions but nothing is guaranteed. It has been a month and I still walk into some guy's rooms and find them sobbing about your son. Hindsight is 20/20 and they know now that he should have gone to the hospital. They already blame themselves. But it was not their fault that this happened. I am deeply sorry for my harsh words but I spoke the truth the best I could.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 6, 2009 at 10:17 a.m.
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cofc2008 Please accept my apology for my error in judging who I thought you were and your role. I had no right to judge and had incomplete information. I felt your last 2 posts were spoken from the heart and what you have expressed in this limited forum makes much sense to me on many levels. I am sorry for your own personal loss and I hope your sincere words will help the family see SAE also grieves and with more answers at some point there can be some closure and move on in their lives when they are able to have more understanding related to their son's death. I suspect even with answers, many questions will be asked for a lifetime. Your honesty and courage to speak in the way you did showed a maturity and respect, I hope is well received in your sincere effort. The family's open requests for information are reasonable and appropriate, mistakes were made with missed opportunities by so many on so many levels and painful lessons in Earth school for all.

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• Posted by diamondgirlSD on April 6, 2009 at 12:33 p.m.
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Cofc2008: Thank you so much for your sincere and candid post. I believe that this is the beginning of what can be a very beneficial and effective relationship between the members of the SAE and the Wren family to make changes and truly honor Jason in the way that he deserves. It sounds like you've all been placed in a very difficult situation. On the one hand, it sounds like you want to honor Mr. Wren by answering his questions, which are needed for closure and in order to illicit change. But, you and the other members have been informed by Nationals not to come forward. By putting you all in that predicament doesn't speak highly of Nationals character or concern over its members. I'm truly sorry that you've been put in a position by the SAE not to do what is right by Jason and his family. And, I'm also sorry for the loss of your sister. This incident must be bringing all of that back for you. So yes, you do understand what the family is going through. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there's no going back and changing the events of that night or what led up to that night. Let's just not add to the tragedy by not learning from what happened to Jason. Please, let's all rally together, in honor of Jason, and not let his death be for nothing. We can ALL learn from this if we work together. Would the members of the SAE house be willing to help assess and/or devise an alcohol awareness program that you all believe will be beneficial? You all were there that night, and know what type of previous information would have been beneficial. I think the delivery of the information is just as important as the content itself. I'm sure you guys are very intelligent and creative and know the most effective ways that kids will listen. Also, what about some type of immunity to kids who bring friends to emergency rooms if they're in trouble? I know that there was a previous posting on the site from a police officer that stated that no one gets into trouble, but would it help if its indicated more clearly? Again, the point is to help save kids lives; not to be punitive against them. Thanks again for your courage to speak out. It shows a level of maturity to be commended.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 6, 2009 at 1:15 p.m.
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One last thing: just because we are all in the same fraternity does not mean that we blindly support eachother in every situation. If I really thought we had something to do with jason's death, I'd leave the house. If someone in the house sexually assaulted a girl...not only would I probably beat the guy senseless, I'd turn him in just like I'd turn in someone who made a pledge drink. Hazing happens in fraternities...but not this one. My brother has permnent scars from his pledgeship at a different college. This is not the way fraternities are supposed to be. Thankfully hazing is in sharp decline. We do not haze. Period.

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• Posted by cofc2008 on April 6, 2009 at 1:51 p.m.
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It sounds like SAE is fortunate to have you as a role model, you are respectful, courageous and speak from your heart and demonstrate integrity. YOU ARE A TRUE LEADER. Your parents must be proud to call you their son and SAE members are fortunate to be able to call you their brother. Jeff, I hope to have the honor of meeting you one day!!! Respectfully, Jan SAE Mom

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• Posted by diamondgirlSD on April 6, 2009 at 2:03 p.m.
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COfc2008: Sounds like you've really had a rough time of it. Both with your own family trauma and now with the loss of Jason. Again, your responses are well received and very much appreciated. I truly think you have a lot of strengths, and you have a great deal of potential not only to be successful in life, but also to help educate others in order to keep this from happening again. I'd really appreciate any and all ideas that you or anyone else might have. I think we're really going to have to be creative and think outside the box on how to spread the news about alcohol awareness. By doing this, I sincerely hope you are able to find peace within yourself. Thanks again. And, I wish you all the best.

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• Posted by HRTherapist on April 6, 2009 at 4:28 p.m.
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I couldn't agree more with DiamondgirlSD and HRTherapist!

Thank you! I look forward to getting some of my answers from you. Please contact me directly at this time. You know how to get hold of me.

Jay, Jason's dad

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• Posted by DenverDad on April 6, 2009 at 4:33 p.m.
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