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I love how "experience" is used to justify this endorsement. Dick Cheney was "experienced" after serving 8 years as VP, but that didn't mean people were calling for him to be president. Jimmy Carter was experienced after his first term in office, too, but that didn't work out so well.

Nothing against Mason, but what exactly has United Students gotten done in their years in office that inspired confidence in the coalition? Why is experience with United Students valuable?

I have 5 years involvement with Student Senate and am graduating (not running, not actively involved with any campaign), so I am an unbiased observer with nothing to gain or lose, and I'd endorse Envision all the way.

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• Posted by JConnor on April 9, 2009 at 11:54 a.m.
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Could've swore it would be Tutu.

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• Posted by handy on April 9, 2009 at 12:15 p.m.
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I'm voting for Tutu. He's making waves.

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• Posted by sjschlag on April 9, 2009 at 12:35 p.m.
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BREAKING NEWS: Eric Hyde awoke from his coma.

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• Posted by reycurtis on April 9, 2009 at 12:58 p.m.
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This endorsement is pathetic. Experience means nothing if you did not accomplish anything while holding a title. Envision has made good on platforms already, ReRev, revolving green fund, and last night passed a bill creating a judicial branch. The Kansan has hardly covered this election. This is the weakest endorsement I have ever read, it was based on a 15 minute interview and has nothing to do with what is going on in this race. The endorsement says vote for everybody, except for May Davis. The Kansan has not covered anything about student senate for weeks now, even though there has been a lot to report, this paper is the one connection students have to acquire information about what is going on with the university and student senate, but instead they have decided to completely ignore major issues and disregard the facts of what is actually going on. Vote Envision if you want a proven track record of action and accountability.

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• Posted by WTF on April 9, 2009 at 11:51 a.m.
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I cannot believe that the Kansan seriously thinks that the individual senators don't matter. Who do they think votes on the campus fees(including the Kansan's own fee)? Who do they think legislates? The senators, that's who. Way to write a spineless and grossly inaccurate endorsement UDK

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• Posted by wtfmate on April 9, 2009 at 12:14 p.m.
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Envision means action and accountability.......... in the land of unicorns and fairies. This is quite absurd. I do agree with the endorsement of Mason because he is quite knowledgable, yet I don't agree with how the Kansan thinks these groups are all the same. I agree with JConnor that experience isn't important. If that were the case, we would elect JConnor and that Rights chair guy who has been here for 7 years. (I think that guy only does senate to hit on young chicks, touche)

With regards to WTF - The judicial board, although you would like to claim it, was not a platform issue. I mean I'd like to claim Homecoming next year as a platform issue and say we did good with that.

I think that Students of Liberty should put on their platform "judicial board" also, because Adam Wood helped with it. So, yes Envision and Students of Liberty are the same.

I have a question though, with this new Judicial Board thing, will Alex Porte get a real trial, and then after they hear all the evidence, still be suspended, or maybe even fully removed from office? I hope so. That shinnanigan wasted time and drew attention to a kid who needs no attention. He was hard for 6 days straight looking at his own picture in the newspaper.

I endorse any coalition but Envision. I haven't been in Senate very long, and I am a biased observer (just like JConnor really is)who would rather see that Free State weird guy win, than Envision.

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 9, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.
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Jconnor: I'm sure your endorsement means a whole lot to the student body who has never once in your 5 years elected you (or your coalition) to the student senate.

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• Posted by shutchins11 on April 9, 2009 at 12:36 p.m.
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The Kansan seriously endorsed fascism.... they endorsed a party who in the past has been subjected to the control of private economic powers, like the athletics department to name just one. Franklin Delano Roosevelt said, "when government is controlled by private economic power, that is fascism." Experience means nothing if you inadequately do your job. I guess the Kansan loves fascists. F-U-C-K-I-N-G-R-E-T-A-R-D-S....

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 12:45 p.m.
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Also, wtf and wtfmate, your usernames might lead one to believe you are JJ Siler and Alex Porte.

If so, how classless of you.

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• Posted by shutchins11 on April 9, 2009 at 1 p.m.
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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. The Kansan endorsed the only coalition that hasn't been fighting tooth and nail to keep the media fee intact!

Seriously, this is the most pathetic endorsement I've seen. It sounds like someone put a gun to their heads and said "Write an endorsement for United Students!" With some of the shady things that have been happening on this campus recently, I wouldn't be surprised.

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• Posted by awood on April 9, 2009 at 1 p.m.
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ebhyde: Language, language Mr. ebhyde. Society has buried the two words you used in the last part of your post. Please proceed accordingly. Thank you.

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• Posted by SamuelBrownstone on April 9, 2009 at 1:05 p.m.
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Mason stands out to me because he's very smart and his interest is sincere. In fact, every United Students candidate I've met has impressed me. I have respect for Siler and Wood, but Envision and Students of Liberty have put together weak slates.

Individual candidates do matter, and I wish the Kansan would do a better job of informing our decisions. I'm voting for the candidates I know personally, who have shown intelligence and leadership--regardless of affiliation. But when it comes to a position where I don't know any of the candidates, I'm voting United Students because I trust Mason's judgment.

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• Posted by esskay on April 9, 2009 at 1:13 p.m.
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Agree with the endorsement of this year and last year. Envision has done nothing to get the awareness of the student body like ConnectKU did last year. This although great for United Students, was relatively weaker compared to years past. But I do agree with the approach of having the actual non-partisans, aka, the UDK managerial staff conducting the interviews and writing the endorsements, rather than the editorial board writing a skewed endorsement.

Oh and I have no clue how fascism relates to student senate...I mean honestly. You're comparing a STUDENT senate to Fascist Italy...haha I love it when people don't get their way.

Sincerely,

Retiring Senator Walberg

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 1:22 p.m.
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Jack's anything but unbiased. I don't know how Envision can take credit for creating the judicial branch. I'm pretty sure it was the vision of someone outside the coalition, and unless 2/3 of the senators at the meeting last night were Envision members, it wasn't them. Also, weren't the fees settled last night and didn't the same body that created the judicial board trim down the media fee? Go Kansan!

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• Posted by jhox87 on April 9, 2009 at 1:23 p.m.
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maybe 'f-u-c-k-i-n-g retard' is not sufficient enough.
let's go with: "f-u-c-k-u-p", Slang. a. to bungle or botch; ruin. b. to act stupidly or carelessly; cause trouble; mess up. F-U-C-K-U-P-S.... The Kansan is playing politics here, and they are d-i-p-s-h-i-t-s.... I can define that as well if anyone needs me to.

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 1:24 p.m.
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Maybe ebhyde sticks to defining profanity because he can't name a concrete United Students "f-u-c-k-u-p"?

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• Posted by SamuelBrownstone on April 9, 2009 at 1:29 p.m.
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Eric take a chill pill...seriously buddy. How are they playing politics? Define your definition of politics without the use of swear words.

Thanks

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 1:30 p.m.
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Although the UDK wrote a very poor and shoddy endorsement, I think their pick of Heilman is rational since he has demonstrated a long-term dedication to Student Senate. Envision is shady. They have a penchant for borrowing ideas from other coalitions and then claiming the success as their own. Their VP candidate was under investigation, while their presidential candidate has accomplished...? I would rather vote for Students of Liberty or even the Free State group before I voted for the other two. Despite Envision's cute attempt to be a unique, innovative coalition, the truth is that they are simply a rehashed version of United Students and ConnectKU. United Students is too bloated with power. Therefore, if students are really interested in picking candidates that will represent the student body, Students of Liberty is the way to go. I don't care if they don't win, it's simply a matter of voting for who I think will represent me the best.

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• Posted by grace on April 9, 2009 at 1:37 p.m.
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I heard that United Students has an army of children with guns in Uganda waiting to strike the moment they win the election.

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 9, 2009 at 1:37 p.m.
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Many people involved in Student Senate directly or indirectly would somewhat agree that United Students are puppets of a special economic agenda at KU, who borrow/steal ideas from other coalitions, and who lack the ideas of how to implement energy efficiency at the legislative level. They claim student fee fiscal responsibility while doing the opposite... Lying, cheating. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-S... But it's cool, cause they have money.... They're so important...! And I am comparing fascists to United Students in the context of what FDR said about private economic power controlling government, nothing to do with Italy, a-s-s-h-o-l-e. And who wants to bet that United Students privately orchestrated the 'security threat' concerns, so the debates would be canceled?

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 1:52 p.m.
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Nothing to do with Italy? You do know when FDR was president right? During World War II...and you know what that quote was directed towards right? Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. You can make all the accusations you want...but until you stop following people on campus and crying out on a newspaper comment section, you really aren't effective. And that's not the first or last time I'll be called an "a-s-s-h-o-l-e". But you know what, I don't care because you people are so entertaining! Thanks for the free entertainment.

And please tell me what that "special economic agenda" is...and how dare you make accusations that US was behind a "security threat"? Mason and May were eagerly awaiting the debate.

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 2:01 p.m.
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esskay,

I'm not quite sure how Students of Liberty has a weak slate. I took great pains to make sure that all of our senators are dedicated, like-minded free thinkers. All of these people are, in my opinion, the best candidates for senate. I'm not sure where you're getting your information.

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• Posted by awood on April 9, 2009 at 2:02 p.m.
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I'm pissed, but now off to something more important....

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 2:02 p.m.
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calikufan,

For the record, I heard early on that Mason and May didn't want to debate...

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• Posted by awood on April 9, 2009 at 2:03 p.m.
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Source awood? Whenever I've spoken Mason and May they have. May was on Mock trial for two years so I'm pretty sure she did.

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 2:05 p.m.
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ebhyde...glad you're going back into the dark. We don't need poor and weak arguments on this discussion board.

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 2:07 p.m.
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One last thing, why was Tutu a suspect and not US. It makes logical sense to include US because of their motives and current position. Mason and May were eagerly behind the debate once it was canceled. Whatever the case, it's fraud - massive fraud - and the investigation should go on.

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 2:09 p.m.
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Mock trial or not, May has been proven to get easily hot headed when her ability to perform in a debate is questioned. I'm sure she didn't mind that the debate was canceled.

However, I seriously doubt they were behind the security threat. That's far too conspiratorial for me.

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 9, 2009 at 2:13 p.m.
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1.) Note that "ebhyde"'s more important things allow for a 2 minute response to "callikufan."

2.) Does "ebhyde" know Mason and May well? I didn't realize they were friends, but he seems to know their feelings about the debate pretty well.

3.) I heard that United Students has been solely responsible for the human rights violations in Tibet.

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• Posted by reycurtis on April 9, 2009 at 2:14 p.m.
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So we can believe that a man of Tutu's position CAN be investigated but it's a conspiracy if US gets investigated?

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 2:15 p.m.
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Yes, the Kansan should support the coalition that wanted to cut the Kansan's funding. Very good idea. LETS SINK THE SHIP OURSELVES! It disgusts me that this endorsement from an organization that Alex Porte tried to save could not support him. oh and last night, the media fee got cut anyway. Maybe the next time the news staff wants new equipment and gets denied they should think about it.

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• Posted by jayhawk2009 on April 9, 2009 at 2:17 p.m.
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No, I don't give two s**ts about who is investigated. Slinging names either way is conspiratorial in and of itself

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 9, 2009 at 2:18 p.m.
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reycurtis, the beacon of hope on the internet. May his lambasting continue on and allow us to all live in a world of condescending glory and empty words! Please continue to call out people for their lack of sources while contributed nothing of your own. You are an idol to us all! Hail to you, reycurtis! Hail to you!

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• Posted by mitch_who on April 9, 2009 at 2:22 p.m.
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Philosophical debates which probably belongs on a different forum aside, the thing about this article that I find most ridiculous is United Students seems to think that this is an endorsement of them.

This article endorses Mason Heilman, ignores May which indirectly flames her as a candidate, and approves of every other coalitions platforms and candidates. In my opinion, since this is a legislature and not an executive branch, SoL and Envision should count this as a win because this article never mentions the US candidates as worth electing.

Responses?

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 10, 2009 at 10:11 a.m.
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adios

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 2:23 p.m.
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Stop making fun of May! I took her to Wa this past weekend for dinner and, I must admit, she is quite the lady! Her manners would have made her an excellent Kansan nominee. Additionally, her Korean was super cute. I really enjoyed it.

May: I'll settle for snicker-doodles in exchange for my live, televised endorsement of you.

Sashimi-li yours, Tutu Lee

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• Posted by leehuaitu on April 9, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.
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God Bless, me.

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• Posted by reycurtis on April 9, 2009 at 2:31 p.m.
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For the Kansan to endorse Heilman and United Students is an entirely empty endorsement. If The Kansan does not better cover student senate in the future, I propose a cut of the newspaper altogether. As an outsider to the senate, those of us not involved in the gossip of SS will never know who we're really supposed to vote for. A story every few days over Student Senate is silly and ridiculous. The papers refusal to cover the election more thoroughly is why we have to live with this entirely shallow endorsement. Maybe because I haven't sat in on Senate hearings but I think it's ridiculous for people to attack Alex Porte for tattling on President McGonigle. United Students is the party in power. The article cites experience as the reason to vote, bullsht spewed from the horse's mouth. The article never questions Heilman's involvement in any of the problems of Student Senate, but he's been there when it happened so we should vote for him? Real journalists would've at least analyzed point/counter-point. I wish that's what the Kansan had. The Kansan journalists keep winning awards for our sports articles, that's great - but don't expect to keep a steady flow of cash after voting for the party who refuses to fund you but would love to fund the athletic department.

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• Posted by selliott on April 9, 2009 at 2:35 p.m.
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I don't understand why everyone is up-in-arms about cutting Kansan funding. Would the proposed cuts have caused the Kansan to shut down the presses? Have they been so mismanaged financially that they can't absorb a few percent cut? In a time of across the board cuts they have to be prepared to take a couple hits also.

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• Posted by SamuelBrownstone on April 9, 2009 at 2:38 p.m.
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It's not across the board cuts though, the Athletic fee stays the same even after another year of millions of dollar profit. And, United Students has altered the purpose of the environmental fee to "education." Here's what people need to know about the environmental: humans are destroying it, true conservation action must be taken a college campus is a great place to start.

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• Posted by selliott on April 9, 2009 at 2:40 p.m.
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selliot...why oh why do you keep saying United Students. Did you hear of any Envision people making an amendment to cut athletics last night? NO! So stop saying United Students is the only one that believes that Athletics should not be cut. If you really want to take a stand at this university, you and your friends should have challenged authority and taken on the chancellor. But like always, you all are all talk and no walk...weak.

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 3:01 p.m.
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The reason Envision did not propose any cuts to the athletics fee is because of the precedent set by the chancellor during last years 25 cent cut to the athletics fee. His actions have led us to believe that a 5 dollar cut (which is what we wanted in fee review, something you chose not to attend) would be rejected and then the Chancellor would then remove that 5 dollars from fees at HIS choosing rather than ours. We would much rather play on the safe side of his pen than have the students hurt greatly by our risk taking

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 9, 2009 at 3:05 p.m.
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How would the students get hurt? The Chancellor is not out to get the students.

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 3:08 p.m.
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We would have amended the fee money to come from Athletics (they did have a $20mm profit last year and are the healthiest fee beneficiary) if we'd thought McGoonigle had the cajones to stand up to Lew/Chancellor Bob and advocate for students.

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• Posted by JConnor on April 9, 2009 at 3:22 p.m.
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JConnor, was McGoonigle a typo? If not, that alteration may rival McWeasel for my own personal favorite.

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• Posted by rlawler on April 9, 2009 at 3:33 p.m.
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Not a typo :-)

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• Posted by JConnor on April 9, 2009 at 3:34 p.m.
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Someone should ask JConnor here if he's ever asked for and received special ticket accommodations from Kansas Athletics at NCAA Tournament games... (-:

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• Posted by Hawks808 on April 9, 2009 at 3:44 p.m.
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McGoonigle hahahahaha....love it.

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 3:49 p.m.
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SHEESH! Would you all shut up about conspiracy. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY in Senate (Though...that would be what they would tell you if there, in fact, was one). And the funding thing. I'm sorry, but was that the work of one coalition or person? NO. That would be those who sat on the committee to review the student fees. Was Mason on that? Was J.J.? Hmm...I don't think so. How is it possibly ANY coalitions fault?

It's not.

Anyway! Mason and May are amazing. Siler and Porte are...okay because they've never actually taken the time to talk to me. And Wood is angry/rebellious. Everyone is just trying to do their best!

...so can't we all just get along?

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• Posted by OhHappyDay on April 9, 2009 at 3:50 p.m.
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If we all got along...it would be boring

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• Posted by calikufan on April 9, 2009 at 3:55 p.m.
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This discussion consists almost entirely of senators. Look at this from a detached perspective for just 30 seconds, then ask yourselves why you think nobody ever votes.

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• Posted by Hendrix321 on April 9, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
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WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS?

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• Posted by handy on April 9, 2009 at 4 p.m.
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Is someone writing this all down? I think that the KU Student Senate Election of 2009 would make a great novel.

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• Posted by sjschlag on April 9, 2009 at 4:05 p.m.
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Haha, you're right sjschlag. I think it will be called...

United Students 3-Peat: Why They Are Just That Good

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• Posted by Hawks808 on April 9, 2009 at 4:07 p.m.
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Or....

United Students: A Dynasty Is Born

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• Posted by Hawks808 on April 9, 2009 at 4:07 p.m.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Jayhawk Conspiracy or something like that...

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• Posted by sjschlag on April 9, 2009 at 4:09 p.m.
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@calikufan: lol. you think mock trial is debate.

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• Posted by pilykat on April 9, 2009 at 4:12 p.m.
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For really good entertainment next week, go out to GSP-Corbin and watch the Delta Force/Ignite/Connect/Envision guys try to win votes from the ladies out there. These guys creep the ladies out like a GDI in the Boom-Boom Room! There I said it.

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• Posted by Hawks808 on April 9, 2009 at 4:12 p.m.
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I much prefer the Star Wars IV Title for this election. Senate Wars '09: A New Hope. Cause that's how I roll

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 9, 2009 at 4:22 p.m.
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How about:

No One Cares - A Tale of Egos and Low Voter Turnout.

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• Posted by handy on April 9, 2009 at 4:28 p.m.
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Adam, I don't doubt that you've worked hard to assemble your best slate. It's hard to find much information about your candidates, but I don't like what I've seen. Case in point: Eric Hyde's paranoid rantings on a Kansan comment board. Is he even a candidate, or just an associate? I honestly don't know.

But I know that "common sense" and "fiscal responsibility" indicate Libertarianism, and I worry that important programs will see huge cuts. If I'm totally off base, then maybe you've been projecting the wrong image. But I don't think we see eye to eye on spending. I'm also still bitter about the whole Ron Paul thing.

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• Posted by esskay on April 9, 2009 at 4:39 p.m.
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I'm not a senator. That's why I see this as ridiculous. You tell me and my friends to get up in arms. How are we supposed to do that, the several times me and my "hippie" friends have tried to attend meetings the Student Senate website says Time: TBD Location: TBD. Increased accountability and government transparency for all actions is necessary for increased participation outside the Greek and crazy polisci community. Maybe the reason a lot of us think to err on the side of Porte in the little squabble is because no sides were ever heard. The article on the meeting said that the President cited a rule - that to all of us outside that room seemed like a huge stretch. Get the rest of us involved by listening to what we're saying. Not ignoring it and saying we just don't understand. The arrogance of Room 400 Kansas Union is ridiculous.

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• Posted by selliott on April 9, 2009 at 4:51 p.m.
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Nice, selliott.

Maybe you should get involved in Senate.

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• Posted by connerm on April 9, 2009 at 4:52 p.m.
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You all are missing the biggest issue here.

It isn't that it's poorly written.
It isn't who they endorse (traditionally doesn't matter).
It IS that it is more meaningless than ever.

The Kansan's endorsement used to be at least a front cover blurb to read a bigger article inside. Maybe an editorial cartoon. Because even though the endorsement didn't matter, the Kansan thought that Student Senate ITSELF did. I don't believe the Kansas is "the student voice" but it is an institution; and one that no longer finds the Senate worthy of recognition. Just a passing mention. Disgusting what how this reflects on all those involved in University Governance.

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• Posted by OldGoldLegs on April 9, 2009 at 4:59 p.m.
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I heard Students of Liberty is PASSIONATELY anti-baby eating. Can Envision OR United Studemts say that?! I think not!!!

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• Posted by galaxywarrior on April 9, 2009 at 5 p.m.
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Senate should try to limit the number of hippies...they seem to have enough representation as it is proportional to campus. Oh and anyone who's ever been in the union knows that senate's always on Wednesdays at 6:30 and you can check the front door of the union for locations...c'mon man. I've never seen it listed as TBA or TBD.

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• Posted by elephantsneverforget on April 9, 2009 at 5:34 p.m.
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Hawks808 said: "For really good entertainment next week, go out to GSP-Corbin and watch the Delta Force/Ignite/Connect/Envision guys try to win votes from the ladies out there. These guys creep the ladies out like a GDI in the Boom-Boom Room! There I said it."

BEST COMMENT EVER!!!
Except that Ignite was related to United Students, not Delta Farce.

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• Posted by delta77 on April 9, 2009 at 5:36 p.m.
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Ignite was the closet United Students has ever come...But I love how they do creep like a GDI in the boom boom room...especially on dollar nights. I wish they would just go away.

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• Posted by elephantsneverforget on April 9, 2009 at 5:39 p.m.
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Wow am I glad that this board did not exist in my day. If I were an uninvolved student reading this message thread, I would probably never vote. Regardless of what the editorial board says this thread makes everyone look like a loser. Most of this stuff sounds like things you say during a coalition rally the night before voting, but not in a public forum like this one. However, if you all want to drive down vote totals a guarantee certain coalitions win than continue on. Then again...maybe it is only people involved with the election process that even read this stuff online.

My only question really is: does everyone have their white shirt, black undershirt, and khakis reading for next thursday!

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• Posted by penguin on April 9, 2009 at 7:36 p.m.
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Esskay,

With all due respect, you're a moron. Eric goes to JCCC currently, and is thus not running with us. How are his rantings paranoid? Look up the definition of fascism. Mussolini defined it as the "marriage between the corporation and the state." Right now I would argue that the Athletics corporation and Student Senate are indeed married. I'm not sure how any sane person could argue against that.

How does "common sense" and "fiscal responsibility" indicate Libertarianism? Does that mean that contemporary liberals and contemporary conservatives are "crazy" and "fiscally irresponsible?" Correct me if I'm wrong but both Democrats and Republicans used "fiscal responsibility in 2004 and 2008.

Also, can we shut up about the Ron Paul thing already? That was 2007, this is 2009. Grow the hell up!

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• Posted by awood on April 9, 2009 at 8:39 p.m.
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OhHappyDay,

How am I angry/rebellious? Is not having my nose shoved squarely in the chancellor's and Lew Perkins' behind being "rebellious?" Is not being happy with the way things work, and trying to fix them "angry?"

All you people should really consider thinking before you type something, so you don't put your foot in your mouth so much.

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• Posted by awood on April 9, 2009 at 8:46 p.m.
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I am getting tired of people throwing the term fascism around. George Orwell said, "The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable,'" and I firmly agree with this assessment.

Fascism is a political system that is a form of socialism. One special aspect of fascism is that it uses government coercion to run corporate infrastructure. It is a form of socialism separate from communism in the sense that it has no international aim but is instead nationalist. The idea that fascism is a phenomenon of the right can be attributed to Joseph Stalin, who in a famous speech (the same one which initiated the famous Purges, I believe) claimed that Mussolini and other fascist nations were rightists in order to prop Russian-led international socialism up against European-led nationalistic socialism.

Mr. Hyde gave a quote of FDR earlier, but what he probably doesn't know is that FDR also commented that he would like to attempt a fascist experiment in America. Only after Nazism did the concept of fascism gain a negative connotation and the American left fly away from it.

I certainly wouldn't say that the governing body (Student Senate) has any sway over the corporation here (Athletics,) thus we are not fascist. However, I agree with you on everything else you said.

I need to get out of this lab....

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• Posted by connerm on April 9, 2009 at 11:15 p.m.
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Impressive, Mr. Conner. You know quite a lot. I appreciate your academic response to my fascist claim. My claim was reflexive in nature - metaphorically speaking, I felt a punch and I punched back. My profanity highlighted the extreme degree of my frustrations with United Students. While I admire your words, I still would like to highlight the fact that United Students has been manipulated by the athletics department. And, to play fair, Envision similarly supports funding the athletics department. These definitely are two student coalitions on campus that support the financial union of student government with a private economic entity. I love KU sports, and Lew Perkins is a nice guy to meet. He smiles when he offers his hand. In part, though, he smiles because he knows that some of his expenses are covered by every student at KU.

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• Posted by ebhyde on April 9, 2009 at 11:50 p.m.
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Freaks vs. Greeks 2k9!

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• Posted by pump on April 10, 2009 at 8 a.m.
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Maybe "ebhyde" stick his nose in jccccccccccccccccccccccccccc's student governance instead of KU's. Get a life and stop spreading your dribble on the Kansan website.

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• Posted by SamuelBrownstone on April 10, 2009 at 10:11 a.m.
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elephantsneverforg,

Hey man, nothing against bros but isn't their representation larger than their make-up of campus society? Anyway, what I'm speaking of is those of us who don't have the time to regularly visit the Union and check the boards. The website needs to be better maintained and regularly updated. Locations, dates, times, along with senatorial votes, attendance records, and a detailed outline of gifts received, and more than just percentage for the way the budget is spent.

"Fiscal responsibility" is not necessarily a libertarian term. It is a term of necessity.

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• Posted by selliott on April 10, 2009 at 10:59 a.m.
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Yes - Chalk this up as a victory Jhitt. I heard that Envision ran the finance committee, so in theory, Envision funded every group this year. You should put that on your website "Envision funded every group this year in student senate." That's a selling point.

I like your "The reason Envision did not propose any cuts to the athletics fee is because of the precedent set by the chancellor during last years 25 cent cut to the athletics fee. His actions have led us to believe that a 5 dollar cut (which is what we wanted in fee review, something you chose not to attend) would be rejected and then the Chancellor would then remove that 5 dollars from fees at HIS choosing rather than ours. We would much rather play on the safe side of his pen than have the students hurt greatly by our risk taking"

Wait did we pass campus fees in Senate, or did we pass Envision's fee package in Senate? I didn't know President McGonigle was a part of Envision. Could have fooled me, he's very corrupt, weasely, and snarky like Envision, he has bags of money in his ceiling. You've been in Senate for almost a year, we might as well tenure you....wise and full of......the land of fairies and unicorns....

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 10, 2009 at 1:08 p.m.
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It's amusing that "Jhitt" uses the verb 'troll' when he, himself, is a troll.

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• Posted by SamuelBrownstone on April 11, 2009 at 12:41 a.m.
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I apologize Jhitt, this wasn't supposed to be an attack on you, it was supposed to be an attack upon this endorsement. You got caught in the crossfire, and for that I am sorry. My attacks were childish, rude, true, and just downright mean. Please accept my apology, along with my letter of stepping down. I will no longer post on these message boards unless I am provoked by misleading, or incorrect information. I will also not jab anyone, but yet, provide constructive criticism. In the land of unicorns and fairies and senators, anything can happen........I also will not veto your cut to athletics.

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 11, 2009 at 2:46 a.m.
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"The right word I think I should have used is "puppets"?"

Really? You call the people willing to risk joining a new coalition as "puppets?" What about those that joined United simply because that's the only way they thought they'd be able to get a seat? Or because they're in AXO? Why on earth would we take what might be a risk without looking into it and blindly following instead? We wouldn't.

Personally, I think Mason seems like a nice guy, but I didn't join my coalition because I think JJ+Alex > Mason. I joined Envision because of what it stands for [and also what it doesn't stand for - note on Monday and Tuesday that we will not be harassing people on Wescoe].

My point is that "puppets" can easily [perhaps more so] be applied to United. But will I? No. I can have more respect for the opposition than to generalize them like that. Can you?

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• Posted by jbr00ks9 on April 12, 2009 at 2:56 p.m.
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jbr00ks9, so instead of harassing them on wescoe, you'll instead harass them at their homes and apartments off campus. Much better...

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• Posted by shutchins11 on April 12, 2009 at 5:39 p.m.
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OH hawkchalk, you amuse me. Repost under your name kthxbye.

This has nothing to do with coalitions, I was merely stating that the reason NOBODY proposed to cut athletics was for that reason.

However I'd like to see how Envision is Snarky. Could you please publicly post some examples under your name instead of making these claims like some idiot with nothing but partisan rabble to rant about on the forums they troll? It would be much appreciated.

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 10, 2009 at 6:54 p.m.
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Then why did you say "Envision" in the part I quoted. You are implying that Envision is the group that decided all the fees. Its called logic and deductive reasoning from your statements.

You are correct jhitt, I mispoke. You aren't snarky. That would mean you all have creativity and understand sarcasm . All you and your chronies have is your dull boring humor of computer geek jokes and gamer lingo.

The right word I think I should have used is "puppets"?

I think I have struck gold, AND the market value of gold is high right now! Why do you worry who I am, Jhitt, you clearly "won" the endorsement............

Okay, I give up. I am Chancellor Robert Hemmenway. You got me!

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 11, 2009 at 2:29 a.m.
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I surrender. Disregard my comments. You win!

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 11, 2009 at 3 a.m.
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It's not a competition. And if anyone is being snarky then I'd think it'd be you after your string of sarcastic responses. Let's face it, we're all in senate, nobody else posts on here. The reason I'd like to know who you are is because I think you're too afraid to have your words associated with your name when I'll most likely be seeing you on joint senate. If that's the case then I can only assume you post on these forums for the same reason that everyone else does - to metaphorically get off by slinging baseless insults.

Enjoy your anonymity. However, I hereby declare you a pansy.

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• Posted by Jhitt on April 11, 2009 at 2:21 p.m.
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Further note, just to be clear: I do prefer JJ and Alex and think they're great leaders for the coalition and definitely would be for Senate. It's not why I initially joined, though.

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• Posted by jbr00ks9 on April 12, 2009 at 3:02 p.m.
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It's good to see that student senators don't take themselves too seriously anymore.

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• Posted by pump on April 13, 2009 at 10:19 a.m.
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Adam,

I didn't say anything about Fascism or athletics. If you don't know what paranoid sounds like, I don't know what to tell you. Your slate isn't posted on your web site. "Fiscal responsibility" is not a Libertarian term necessarily. But last year's platform was clearly Libertarian, while this year's platform seems to be a more vague, campaign-friendly version of the same.

You're running for student body president and you just called me a moron on a Kansan comment board. Seriously? I don't know anyone who's won an election by insulting a voter.

I thought I just disagreed with you, but it turns out you're a jerk. And I can say that, because I'm not running for Student Senate.

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• Posted by esskay on April 13, 2009 at 10:37 a.m.
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I prefer negativity towards United Students and Envision. I'm for free state and Students of Liberty. I prefer socialism with no dictator like LEW PERKINS - -

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• Posted by hawkchalk on April 13, 2009 at 4:21 p.m.
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