Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Students in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences and in six of the 10 undergraduate professional schools are required to take a course to fulfill the argument and reason requirement. Some students take a philosophy class to fulfill the requirement, but students in some schools are required to take COMS 130, Speaker and Audience Communication. These classes don’t fulfill their purpose. Although some students find the classes useful, many say they are a waste of time and money. The University should drop this requirement to allow students more time to take classes that are of interest to them and will be more useful to their majors.
Leigha Woods, Olathe junior, said her communications studies class focused on the process of writing a speech. She said creating outlines should not have been the focus of the class. Woods said she did not enjoy public speaking and wished that the class had addressed more than just giving speeches.
“It would have been more helpful if it had focused on getting over stage fright,” Woods said.
Joel Layton, Lenexa sophomore, said communication studies classes should not require students to use a general format for their speeches. Layton said that some techniques taught in the class were useful, but that successful speakers did not make generic speeches.
“If you look at Jesus’ ‘sermon on the Mount’ or Martin Luther King Jr.’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech, they didn’t really say, ‘Here’s point A, here’s point B,’” Layton said.
The speaker and audience communication course is not useful to students because it focuses on format. The University requires this class so students learn to argue and reason well, but the courses that presume to fulfill this requirement don’t really teach students that skill.
Amanda Ely, West Chester, Pa., senior, said she took a philosophy class to fulfill the requirement. Ely said that the purpose of the requirement was for students to learn to make sense of arguments, but that the feedback she received on her work in the philosophy class was not constructive.
“If we’re going to have this requirement, an analytical writing course would be more beneficial,” Ely said. “You would get more feedback on your work.”
General education requirements are designed to provide students with a well-rounded liberal arts education, but in practice, the argument and reason requirement contributes little to this education. It should be replaced with electives more practical to the goals of individual students.
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Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
Reason and Argument was a watered-down logic class. It was alright. You want totally bizarre CLAS requirements, try HWC. I mean, seriously, whiskey tango foxtrot, right?
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
My recollection of COM 130 is that the class gives instruction of four or five different methods for delivering a speech. The class presented an introduction to speaking in public, which I telling you now, you WILL have to do when you graduate.
Most people dislike the class because they are afraid to speak in front of others, especially their peers. The class provides the chance to begin surmounting that fear in a small group setting, not unlike meetings you will have when you get a job.
The class teaches a basic skill set that every graduate will need in the future. You present a speech and then are given a sheet telling you exactly which areas of your presentation were strong and which were lacking.
Further more, this editorial provides no quote from a professor or TA of COMS 130. A good editorial and a good speech might at least acknowledge and refute some criticism.
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
It was a helpful class for me. Glad it was required otherwise I probably would not have elected to take the course. Looking back, I am glad I did.
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
public speaking is a certainly helpful class. they don't teach you how to be a good writer in english courses, they give you the basics, the same goes for a beginning speech course. You want to get better? Take another course. wth do you need help getting over stage fright? take a psychology course ffs.
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
If Martin Luther King made his "Dream" speech for a COMS class, he would have been expelled for plagerism.
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
Perhaps if Ms. Foster had actually taken COMS 130, she would know that three interview sources of students, who may or may not have been stellar (my guess not), she would have known that those are not good sources to use to make a credible argument.
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
I believe we studied one of MLK's speeches in COMS 130, and it had a nice structure to it.
Speech is an important class for anyone who might one day have to get in front of people and talk. That covers nearly everyone. Western Civ is an important class because it helps you understand why our culture is the way it is.
If you didn't want to study a wide range of subjects, you should have gone to a vocational school. Hairdressers and mechanics don't need to give speeches or write papers, but college graduates do.
Also, are there really 10 undergraduate professional schools? Journalism, business, engineering, education, social welfare and... what am I forgetting?
Editorial: COMS 130 requirement illogical
Mea--I happen to know Ms. Foster, and she has taken COMS 130, although not at KU. And editorials are assigned--she may or may not agree with the position she was told to take. That's the point of an editorial; it is the editorial board's opinion.
Abita--Do you think perhaps she tried to contact COMS professors and they did not contact her back?
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