Activist group promotes Sexy Week

I love sexy week! Go Delta Force!

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• Posted by Katyc on May 4, 2009 at 3:02 a.m.
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vladislav: It bugs me that we haven't seen a masculinism movement yet.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 8:21 a.m.
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5ive, http://tinyurl.com/cnlns4

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 9:34 a.m.
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Just because you can find it on google doesn't mean it exist on any significant level. You might see a token article on men's rights, but we have never seen a masculinist movement that would in in any way compare to the feminist.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 10:01 a.m.
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So, what rights do men need to be on a crusade for?

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 11:06 a.m.
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FYI: I plan on starting a men's rights group on campus next semester. Not sure what I'll call it yet, but rest assured you will finally see a group dedicated to fighting the reverse discrimination of the radical liberal feminists that infest this campus.

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• Posted by awood on May 4, 2009 at 11:27 a.m.
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I think you'll probably get a few rabid badgers in your pants from that "cuckold=rape" argument, so I'll leave that alone. So your beef is with the status of men regarding children and preventing discrimination based on gender? I'm not pleased about the automatic custody for women or the automatic child support, but I'm also fairly certain there's a procedure you can get to prevent both of those (except in that one unfortunate and bizarre case which was an anomaly so don't you even try citing it) or alternatively like all good boys you could wrap it before you tap it if you're not ready yet. As for your other beef, I'm going to have to go with the argument that if protecting people isn't necessary because the free market handles it, why didn't it bother doing so two hundred years ago?

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 p.m.
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Also, YAY for Sexy Week! =)

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• Posted by G_E on May 4, 2009 at 4:17 p.m.
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pantheon:

A men's rights platform (not a full list):

EQUAL ABORTION RIGHTS:

Men should not be forced to take care of children they do not consent to creating. If a woman does not want a child, she can abort the fetus even if her partner disapproves. In a just society, men would be allowed to "abort" the fetus by signing a document relieving him of all rights and responsibilities of fathering the child. The woman could still have the baby, but she'd have to find a willing partner to daddy him.

NO MORE UNFAIR "EQUAL PAY" LAWS:

The free market automatically punishes unjust discrimination.

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/capitalism-discriminations-implacable-enemy/

Feminists use the 76 cent myth to create laws that are unfair to men. From:

p://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm

"A man's request for pay equity is more likely to fall on deaf ears if he finds out a newly hired female colleague is paid more. But if a woman made the same request, it's more likely to be treated seriously, due to fear of a lawsuit."

Businesses know how much each employee is worth better than the government. Men should be allowed to earn the market rate for their services, and women should not be allowed to use lawsuits to get ahead.

MANDATORY PATERNITY TESTS ON ALL NEW BABIES:

There are more than million men who are currently duped into taking care of children whom they did not create. From a Darwinian standpoint, cuckolding a man is the equivalent of raping a woman. In some cases, men are even forced to pay child support for kids even after the paternity test come back negative.

Not a complete list, but I have to go now.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 12:09 p.m.
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1. Read "Selfish Gene" or any of its deritive works and you'll understand why cuckhold a man is like raping a woman. Basically, rape forces a woman to spend her reproductive resources (mostly her body, but also her time and energy) creating a child she does not consent to. Cuckholding forces a man to spend his reproductive resources raising a child he did not consent to. From Dawinistic standpoint, same thing.

2. True, men do have access to contraception. But so do women. If you're using contraception to argue that men shouldn't have abortion rights, the argument applies equally well to women.

3. What happened 200 years ago? Are you talking about slavery? Slavery is not free market. Slavery forces people to do work they do not consent to; free market is built on consensual contracts. Once slavery was abolished, the free market helped accelerate the civil rights movement.

http://aristotlethegeek.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/capitalism-vs-government-discrimination/

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 p.m.
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5ive: Men are attracted to women's bodies; women are attracted to men's wealth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561991/Men-seek-beauty-women-want-wealth.html

A woman's reproduction is limited to what her body can handle. Raping a woman takes away her right to utilize her reproductive resources, which is why is so damaging from an evolution standpoint.

Men's reproduction is not limited (much) by his body. The more relevent factor is his wealth. Women want to be with a man who will provide for the children. If a man is already committing his wealth to children, he cannot use it to attract new partners. A man's wealth limits his reproduction the way a woman's body limits her reproduction. Like rape, cuckholding denies a man his reproductive resources. So they're equivilant from a Dawinistic standpoint.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 3:01 p.m.
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3) Sorry, 200 was an arbitrary number. You want to go 500? Why, in the 1500s, were men making more doing the same work as women if the invisible (sky wizard) hand of the free market is always watching over us? 2) Clearly, men and women are going to experience very different effects from abortion. So, no, the argument does not go both ways. 1) Again, I'm not going to address this, because I am certain that other people are perfectly willing to point out how asinine that is.

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 3:46 p.m.
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"Basically, rape forces a woman to spend her reproductive resources (mostly her body, but also her time and energy) creating a child she does not consent to."

So then rape that doesn't result in a child isn't actually rape? Sorry, but no.

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• Posted by G_E on May 4, 2009 at 4:13 p.m.
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1. In the 1500's men didn't do the same work as women. Women could not do "professional" work because they had to stay home with children. This was NOT due to oppression, but pragmatic necessity. Without children, no one would take care of you in old age. And you had to have more children, because lots would die. Which meant women had to get pregnant more often. Which meant more time at home.

Let me show this another way. Suppose you owned a business and knew that women would be willing to do equal work as men for 76 cents on the dollar. Since you want to reduce labor costs, wouldn't it make sense to try and hire as many women as possible? But then other companies start catching on and everyone starts competing to get female workers. Women will naturally choose the highest offers, forcing employers offer more money in order to competitively attract women. This would continue as long as women were underpaid.

So even the wage gap had existed in the first place, free market forces would have removed it.

1. Your argument is (presumably) that because men have access to contraception, they do not need abortion rights. But women have access to contraception, so why do they need abortion rights?

Because they "experience very different effects", you say. Fine, women get the final say in whether the abortion happens. But with this freedom comes responsibility. Right now, men have half the responsibility and none of the freedom. If the woman doesn't want the baby, she can abort. If the guy doesn't want the baby---TOO BAD! In our legal system, if a woman impregnates herself by digging up a used condom from the trash, she can still sue the man for child support. In a just society, either men have equal say in abortion decision, or women have total responsibility. Pick one.

1. No one has given a counterargument to this point.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 4:22 p.m.
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G_E:

A woman who cheats on a man, then gets pregnant, then tricks the man into raising the kid; that kind of woman is equivilant to a rapist that impregnates a woman who then goes on to raise the child.

A rape act where the woman does not become pregnant is equivilant to an affair where the woman does not get pregnant. Hope that clears it up.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 4:26 p.m.
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3: This just in: Hypothetical situations and groundless assertions often support bad arguments. 2: No, men have the right to have an abortion. They don't have the means to. 1: It's okay, I can wait.

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 5:27 p.m.
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1. What part this scenario is unrealistic? The only hypothetical part of the situation was that the supposed wage gap existed in the first place.

2. What is that supposed to mean? If a woman wants full freedom to chose what happens to her body, she should have full responsibility for this choice.

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• Posted by 5ive on May 4, 2009 at 6 p.m.
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2] On earth, where more than one person lives, things that one person does often affects more than just themselves. I may have messed up the plurality of that statement but just roll with it. 3] Women and men have often had the same jobs. I can only think of one place where women have historically made more than men, and it is super hot.

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 9:04 p.m.
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Listen, to forestall further arguments, please consult this handy diagram before replying: http://tinyurl.com/dnxm3z

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• Posted by pantheon on May 4, 2009 at 9:12 p.m.
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